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	<title>Comments on: To Apple Care or Not To Apple Care; That is the Question</title>
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		<title>By: Mac Rodriguez</title>
		<link>http://edit.xtreem.iappblog.com/2007/11/06/to-apple-care-or-not-to-apple-care-that-is-the-question/#comment-347</link>
		<author>Mac Rodriguez</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Stan Kossen</title>
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		<author>Stan Kossen</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 16:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have had about 10 computers during my life. One is 10 years old and still being used for processing images by my girl firend. Two others are six and three years old. The only problem I've ever had was the need to replace a sound card, not a big deal
I have a one year-old MacPro. I'm now about to buy a top-of-the-line iMac, and the salesperson really high-pressured me by telephone to buy AppleCare. He didn't take the first 8 no's for an answer. I finally had to shout to tell him to back off with his sales pitch. This took place by a Portugese Apple salesperson working in Ireland for the French Apple store. Really! No joke.

I told him that maybe I shouldn't be buying another Mac if they are so poorly built that I will need a repair policy for after it is a year old.

Companies make lots of money on those plans. I can't believe the salesperson doesn't also make something--maybe not a direct commission, but some sort of incentive. I cannot imagine a salesperson exerting so much pressure otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had about 10 computers during my life. One is 10 years old and still being used for processing images by my girl firend. Two others are six and three years old. The only problem I&#8217;ve ever had was the need to replace a sound card, not a big deal<br />
I have a one year-old MacPro. I&#8217;m now about to buy a top-of-the-line iMac, and the salesperson really high-pressured me by telephone to buy AppleCare. He didn&#8217;t take the first 8 no&#8217;s for an answer. I finally had to shout to tell him to back off with his sales pitch. This took place by a Portugese Apple salesperson working in Ireland for the French Apple store. Really! No joke.</p>
<p>I told him that maybe I shouldn&#8217;t be buying another Mac if they are so poorly built that I will need a repair policy for after it is a year old.</p>
<p>Companies make lots of money on those plans. I can&#8217;t believe the salesperson doesn&#8217;t also make something&#8211;maybe not a direct commission, but some sort of incentive. I cannot imagine a salesperson exerting so much pressure otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Viewpoint</title>
		<link>http://edit.xtreem.iappblog.com/2007/11/06/to-apple-care-or-not-to-apple-care-that-is-the-question/#comment-322</link>
		<author>Viewpoint</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote post="11"]Couple of things need to be set straight here for the record:
1. Apples aren’t way more expensive anymore. A brand new macbook from Apple isn’t ‘overpriced’ they just don’t sell crappy bargain machines like Dell does. If you take the time to configure a Dell that is almost indentical in components to a Macbook you’ll find that the price difference is $50-100 (some components aren’t exactly equal). And thats not taking into account the need for Virus/Spyware/Etc protection you’d be stupid not to have to even take that Dell machine online (once you add in that stuff the Dell can be more expensive). The cheapest Apple laptop versus the cheapest Dell laptop isn’t really comparing apples and oranges, more like apples and last years dried out fruit.
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I'm thinking about getting a macbook pro but I do realize that they are extremely overpriced, contrary to what you say here.  Dell offers their XPS 1530 with better specs (larger hard drive [320 gigs], and more ram [4 gigs standard])  WITH 3 years of services (the equivalent to applecare.  To purchase an macbook pro with the same specs would cost $1,000 USD More than the dell's 1,500 price tag.

My Components
Tuxedo Black Casing XPS M1530
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo Processor T8300 (2.4GHz/800Mhz FSB, 3MB Cache)
Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium Edition
High Resolution, glossy widescreen 15.4 inch LCD(1440x900) &#38; 2MP Camera
4GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz (2 Dimms)
Size: 320GB 5400rpm SATA Hard Drive
Slot Load DVD+/-RW (DVD/CD read/write)
256MB NVIDIA® GeForce® 8600M GT
Dell Wireless 1395 802.11g Mini Card
Dell Wireless 355 Bluetooth Internal (2.0+Enhanced Data Rate)
56 WHr 6-cell Lithium Ion Primary Battery
Integrated Sound Blaster Audigy HD Software Edition
Finger Print Reader XPS M1530
My Software &#38; Accessories
Trend Micro Internet Security 36-months
No Microsoft Office
My Service
3Yr In-Home Service, Parts Labor, 24x7 Phone Support
Add Accidental Damage and LoJack Theft Protection to 3Yr Warr.
Included 10GB DataSafe Online Backup for 1Year
No ISP requested
Also Includes
Windows Vista™ Premium
Adobe® Acrobat® Reader 8.1
Intel Core 2 Duo Processor
High Resolution,Black glossy widescreen 15.4 inch LCD(1440x900)&#38;2MP Cam</description>
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Couple of things need to be set straight here for the record:<br />
1. Apples aren’t way more expensive anymore. A brand new macbook from Apple isn’t ‘overpriced’ they just don’t sell crappy bargain machines like Dell does. If you take the time to configure a Dell that is almost indentical in components to a Macbook you’ll find that the price difference is $50-100 (some components aren’t exactly equal). And thats not taking into account the need for Virus/Spyware/Etc protection you’d be stupid not to have to even take that Dell machine online (once you add in that stuff the Dell can be more expensive). The cheapest Apple laptop versus the cheapest Dell laptop isn’t really comparing apples and oranges, more like apples and last years dried out fruit.
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<p>I&#8217;m thinking about getting a macbook pro but I do realize that they are extremely overpriced, contrary to what you say here.  Dell offers their XPS 1530 with better specs (larger hard drive [320 gigs], and more ram [4 gigs standard])  WITH 3 years of services (the equivalent to applecare.  To purchase an macbook pro with the same specs would cost $1,000 USD More than the dell&#8217;s 1,500 price tag.</p>
<p>My Components<br />
Tuxedo Black Casing XPS M1530<br />
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo Processor T8300 (2.4GHz/800Mhz FSB, 3MB Cache)<br />
Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium Edition<br />
High Resolution, glossy widescreen 15.4 inch LCD(1440&#215;900) &amp; 2MP Camera<br />
4GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz (2 Dimms)<br />
Size: 320GB 5400rpm SATA Hard Drive<br />
Slot Load DVD+/-RW (DVD/CD read/write)<br />
256MB NVIDIA® GeForce® 8600M GT<br />
Dell Wireless 1395 802.11g Mini Card<br />
Dell Wireless 355 Bluetooth Internal (2.0+Enhanced Data Rate)<br />
56 WHr 6-cell Lithium Ion Primary Battery<br />
Integrated Sound Blaster Audigy HD Software Edition<br />
Finger Print Reader XPS M1530<br />
My Software &amp; Accessories<br />
Trend Micro Internet Security 36-months<br />
No Microsoft Office<br />
My Service<br />
3Yr In-Home Service, Parts Labor, 24&#215;7 Phone Support<br />
Add Accidental Damage and LoJack Theft Protection to 3Yr Warr.<br />
Included 10GB DataSafe Online Backup for 1Year<br />
No ISP requested<br />
Also Includes<br />
Windows Vista™ Premium<br />
Adobe® Acrobat® Reader 8.1<br />
Intel Core 2 Duo Processor<br />
High Resolution,Black glossy widescreen 15.4 inch LCD(1440&#215;900)&amp;2MP Cam</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
		<link>http://edit.xtreem.iappblog.com/2007/11/06/to-apple-care-or-not-to-apple-care-that-is-the-question/#comment-319</link>
		<author>frank</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 04:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can not agree with you in 100% regarding some thoughts, but you got good point of view...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can not agree with you in 100% regarding some thoughts, but you got good point of view&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JoeG</title>
		<link>http://edit.xtreem.iappblog.com/2007/11/06/to-apple-care-or-not-to-apple-care-that-is-the-question/#comment-316</link>
		<author>JoeG</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I purchased AppleCare with my iMAC (Early 2006) and just had the LCD screen replaced. If I didn't have the extended warranty, the repair cost would have been $700+!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I purchased AppleCare with my iMAC (Early 2006) and just had the LCD screen replaced. If I didn&#8217;t have the extended warranty, the repair cost would have been $700+!!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://edit.xtreem.iappblog.com/2007/11/06/to-apple-care-or-not-to-apple-care-that-is-the-question/#comment-310</link>
		<author>Matt</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 01:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does Apple strongly recommend buying AppleCare when you buy your computer?

"We strongly recommend that you purchase the AppleCare Protection Plan when you purchase your Apple system to maximise the advantages of the plan."

How is that maximising the advantages?  Do you get double extra super special warranty service if you double up your warranty with AppleCare?

FYI, there is no grace period for out of warranty stuff in Australia.  The period of time that something is covered by statutory warranties depends on the type of goods, how much you paid for them, typical usage, average life expectancy etc, but YES, you do have rights after Apple's 1 year warranty is up.  If they tell you differently, call the ACCC, then call Apple back and ask to speak to a supervisor.

Matt (ex-ACCC ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does Apple strongly recommend buying AppleCare when you buy your computer?</p>
<p>&#8220;We strongly recommend that you purchase the AppleCare Protection Plan when you purchase your Apple system to maximise the advantages of the plan.&#8221;</p>
<p>How is that maximising the advantages?  Do you get double extra super special warranty service if you double up your warranty with AppleCare?</p>
<p>FYI, there is no grace period for out of warranty stuff in Australia.  The period of time that something is covered by statutory warranties depends on the type of goods, how much you paid for them, typical usage, average life expectancy etc, but YES, you do have rights after Apple&#8217;s 1 year warranty is up.  If they tell you differently, call the ACCC, then call Apple back and ask to speak to a supervisor.</p>
<p>Matt (ex-ACCC <img src='http://edit.xtreem.iappblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://edit.xtreem.iappblog.com/2007/11/06/to-apple-care-or-not-to-apple-care-that-is-the-question/#comment-309</link>
		<author>Peter</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 02:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been a technician for a long time and quite frankly nothing written here suprises me. For instance, NO ONE covers data in their respective warranties. If you buy a computer from Dell, HP, Compaq, Acer, etc and your HDD dies and your data is gone, too bad so sad. They will replace the drive and that is it. In terms of part prices, Mac's $130.00 battery is a steal. Has anyone tried to order a battery for a HP or Dell PC? They are expensive. Now would I buy applecare, probably but only because I have seen my share of Laptops fail in and out of warranty and the prices in which the parts cost. Now lets all be honest and realize that the computers today are NOT the computers of yesterday and they are built cheaper and faster in various places outside North America. With that consumers are demanding a better price and faster machine what dictates that quality is not what consumers are looking for. A MACBOOK for example is better unit than a $499 laptop without a doubt, but does that mean it will never have issues, no. The parts are made by the same people for different prices. But the customer service one receives when dealing with MAC is generally much better than dealing with a $8.00 an hour employee at Best Buy. Just my thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been a technician for a long time and quite frankly nothing written here suprises me. For instance, NO ONE covers data in their respective warranties. If you buy a computer from Dell, HP, Compaq, Acer, etc and your HDD dies and your data is gone, too bad so sad. They will replace the drive and that is it. In terms of part prices, Mac&#8217;s $130.00 battery is a steal. Has anyone tried to order a battery for a HP or Dell PC? They are expensive. Now would I buy applecare, probably but only because I have seen my share of Laptops fail in and out of warranty and the prices in which the parts cost. Now lets all be honest and realize that the computers today are NOT the computers of yesterday and they are built cheaper and faster in various places outside North America. With that consumers are demanding a better price and faster machine what dictates that quality is not what consumers are looking for. A MACBOOK for example is better unit than a $499 laptop without a doubt, but does that mean it will never have issues, no. The parts are made by the same people for different prices. But the customer service one receives when dealing with MAC is generally much better than dealing with a $8.00 an hour employee at Best Buy. Just my thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Leo</title>
		<link>http://edit.xtreem.iappblog.com/2007/11/06/to-apple-care-or-not-to-apple-care-that-is-the-question/#comment-301</link>
		<author>Leo</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 02:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment="55"]Does anyone find it suspicious that the author has mentioned 3 macs he's bought, 3 of which have had serious failures in the first couple of months? That suggests you shouldn't be buying Apple computers to begin with...[/quote]

I have owned TWO Macs, and both of them have had hard disk failures. One of the lost ALL my data.

Applecare fixed the first one. The second one, they will replace my hard disk ($100 street price) for free, but keep my old hard disk which they say is now theirs (even though they are unable to retrieve my data!).

So as for myself, I am thoroughly disgusted with Apple on this one. I lose my data, and they get to keep my hard disk!

As for the PC people here, yes, I least in my case, Apples are better, their OS is far better than Windows, but do have more problems than PC's... My mom did always tell me to stay from the best looking girls - and guess what - she was right...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="quoter_comment_header"><a href="http://edit.xtreem.iappblog.com/2007/11/06/to-apple-care-or-not-to-apple-care-that-is-the-question/#comment-55" title="View original comment"><cite>Anonymous</cite> wrote:</a></p>
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Does anyone find it suspicious that the author has mentioned 3 macs he&#8217;s bought, 3 of which have had serious failures in the first couple of months? That suggests you shouldn&#8217;t be buying Apple computers to begin with&#8230;</p>
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<p>I have owned TWO Macs, and both of them have had hard disk failures. One of the lost ALL my data.</p>
<p>Applecare fixed the first one. The second one, they will replace my hard disk ($100 street price) for free, but keep my old hard disk which they say is now theirs (even though they are unable to retrieve my data!).</p>
<p>So as for myself, I am thoroughly disgusted with Apple on this one. I lose my data, and they get to keep my hard disk!</p>
<p>As for the PC people here, yes, I least in my case, Apples are better, their OS is far better than Windows, but do have more problems than PC&#8217;s&#8230; My mom did always tell me to stay from the best looking girls - and guess what - she was right&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://edit.xtreem.iappblog.com/2007/11/06/to-apple-care-or-not-to-apple-care-that-is-the-question/#comment-292</link>
		<author>Anonymous</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 23:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment="57"]Neither this article nor the comments address some important points to consider.

• You don't have to have an Apple store or reseller fix your Mac for the hyper-inflated rates they charge. You can have a standard PC repair facility which is capable of servicing Macs do the job much more cheaply, often at a fraction of the price for parts in particular as Apple charges double in some cases compared to other service providers.

• If a Mac doesn't fail in the first 90 days, it's unlikely to fail in any serious way in the next year or two. If it doesn't fail after the first year or two, it will be sufficiently devalued that your investment in AppleCare might be better put toward the purchase of a new model or a second-hand model of your failed unit.

• Telephone support is rarely useful to those who are moderately savvy about their computers. Most questions can be answered using on-line resources including various Mac user forums and Mac magazine forums. Searching for people who are having similar problems to yours often yields faster and clearer answers than jumping through tech support call sheet questions.

• If you aren't squeamish, you can repair your own computer relatively easily and cheaply provided the motherboard hasn't crapped out on you or a video problem hasn't occurred in a unit with an integrated display. Instructions for such things are all over the Internet.

By and large, AppleCare isn't going to be money well spent for most people. It's an insurance policy, to be sure, but computers in general are not investments that need a high degree of protection as they lose their value rapidly and should be replaced rather than repaired past the 3-year mark. That's not to say they aren't useful past the the 3-year time period but rather that it becomes far more attractive to buy a new one than repair an old one past that point.

Unless you've got an expensive laptop model (MacBook Pro), it seems that it's simply not worthwhile to purchase AppleCare.[/quote]

Actually, you're quite incorrect with most of your assessments. Apple does NOT sell parts to other resellers other than those certified by Apple. Thus, if your logic board goes out or something, you can't get it fixed by anyone other than an Apple store or a certified tech. AppleCare is worth that alone.

Secondly, repairs on your own are also virtually impossible since you cannot get Apple parts (legally, anyway) and will also void your warranty, if any is left.

And lastly, Macs hold their value MUCH better than PCs. If you browse eBay, you'll see PowerBooks from '01-'20 (nearly 7 years old!) selling for $400-700. Macs retain much of their value for quite sometime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="quoter_comment_header"><a href="http://edit.xtreem.iappblog.com/2007/11/06/to-apple-care-or-not-to-apple-care-that-is-the-question/#comment-57" title="View original comment"><cite>Shari</cite> wrote:</a></p>
<blockquote cite="http://edit.xtreem.iappblog.com/2007/11/06/to-apple-care-or-not-to-apple-care-that-is-the-question/#comment-57"><p>
Neither this article nor the comments address some important points to consider.</p>
<p>• You don&#8217;t have to have an Apple store or reseller fix your Mac for the hyper-inflated rates they charge. You can have a standard PC repair facility which is capable of servicing Macs do the job much more cheaply, often at a fraction of the price for parts in particular as Apple charges double in some cases compared to other service providers.</p>
<p>• If a Mac doesn&#8217;t fail in the first 90 days, it&#8217;s unlikely to fail in any serious way in the next year or two. If it doesn&#8217;t fail after the first year or two, it will be sufficiently devalued that your investment in AppleCare might be better put toward the purchase of a new model or a second-hand model of your failed unit.</p>
<p>• Telephone support is rarely useful to those who are moderately savvy about their computers. Most questions can be answered using on-line resources including various Mac user forums and Mac magazine forums. Searching for people who are having similar problems to yours often yields faster and clearer answers than jumping through tech support call sheet questions.</p>
<p>• If you aren&#8217;t squeamish, you can repair your own computer relatively easily and cheaply provided the motherboard hasn&#8217;t crapped out on you or a video problem hasn&#8217;t occurred in a unit with an integrated display. Instructions for such things are all over the Internet.</p>
<p>By and large, AppleCare isn&#8217;t going to be money well spent for most people. It&#8217;s an insurance policy, to be sure, but computers in general are not investments that need a high degree of protection as they lose their value rapidly and should be replaced rather than repaired past the 3-year mark. That&#8217;s not to say they aren&#8217;t useful past the the 3-year time period but rather that it becomes far more attractive to buy a new one than repair an old one past that point.</p>
<p>Unless you&#8217;ve got an expensive laptop model (MacBook Pro), it seems that it&#8217;s simply not worthwhile to purchase AppleCare.</p>
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<p>Actually, you&#8217;re quite incorrect with most of your assessments. Apple does NOT sell parts to other resellers other than those certified by Apple. Thus, if your logic board goes out or something, you can&#8217;t get it fixed by anyone other than an Apple store or a certified tech. AppleCare is worth that alone.</p>
<p>Secondly, repairs on your own are also virtually impossible since you cannot get Apple parts (legally, anyway) and will also void your warranty, if any is left.</p>
<p>And lastly, Macs hold their value MUCH better than PCs. If you browse eBay, you&#8217;ll see PowerBooks from &#8216;01-&#8217;20 (nearly 7 years old!) selling for $400-700. Macs retain much of their value for quite sometime.</p>
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		<title>By: NYA</title>
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		<author>NYA</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 03:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can someone tell me where I can get the best deal with regards to Apple Care? I see that you can purchase it for $249 on this page, but it doesn't let you click on anything to make the purchase.  Please advise.  I've spent so much money so far on the computer, etc., so I might as well buy the Apple Care, but if anyone has any suggestions, it would be much appreciated. Thank you!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone tell me where I can get the best deal with regards to Apple Care? I see that you can purchase it for $249 on this page, but it doesn&#8217;t let you click on anything to make the purchase.  Please advise.  I&#8217;ve spent so much money so far on the computer, etc., so I might as well buy the Apple Care, but if anyone has any suggestions, it would be much appreciated. Thank you!!!!</p>
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